Paper beats rock in RPS due to an ancient Chinese tradition of request rejection
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The retrieved records confirm that rock-paper-scissors-style games originated in China, but they only provide unverified internet discussion regarding the specific folkloric rationale about ancient request rejections.
# Does paper beat rock in RPS due an ancient Chinese tradition that draping paper over rock mean rejecting a request?
Tags: history, games
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- Answers: 3
- Answered: yes
- Asked by: Franck Dernoncourt (8310 rep)
- Asked: 2014-05-02
- Edited: 2014-05-02
- Site: skeptics
## Question
I have heard a few times that paper beats rock in rock-paper-scissors due to the following reason:
It comes from an ancient Chinese tradition where when a request was sent
to the ruler on a piece of "paper" or the equivalent at the time, the
rock was placed over the paper if the request was accepted, the paper
was draped over the rock, indicating defeat of the request, if the
request was rejected. Hence, paper over rock = defeat.
How true is it?
## Answers
### Answer by Bobson (score: 1)
According to wikipedia, which is extensively sourced on this topic (although I haven't checked any of them myself for reliability), says
The earliest Japanese "sansukumi-ken" game was known as "mushi-ken" (虫拳), which was imported directly from China.[7][8] In "Mushi-ken" the "frog" (represented by the thumb) is superseded by the "slug" (represented by the little finger), which, in
Rock paper scissors
Rock paper scissors (also known by several other names and word orders) is an intransitive hand game, usually played between two people, in which each player simultaneously forms one of three shapes with an outstretched hand. These shapes are "rock" (a closed fist: ✊), "paper" (a flat hand: ✋), and "scissors" (a fist with the index finger and middle finger extended, forming a V: ✌️). The earliest form of a "rock paper scissors"-style game originated in China and was subsequently imported into Japan, where it reached its modern standardized form, before being spread throughout the world in the early 20th century.
A simultaneous, zero-sum game, it has three possible outcomes: a draw, a win, or a loss. A player who decides to play rock will beat another player who chooses scissors ("rock crushes scissors" or "breaks scissors" or sometimes "blunts scissors"), but will lose to one who has played paper ("paper covers rock"); a play of paper will lose to a play of scissors ("scissors cuts paper"). If both players choose the same shape, the game is tied, but is usually replayed until there is a winner.
Rock paper scissors is often used as a fair method of choosing be
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