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Certain physical systems require Lagrangians not of the standard kinetic minus potential form

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Certain physical systems, such as dissipative, non-conservative, or heavily damped mechanical and thermodynamic systems, require non-standard Lagrangians that do not take the traditional kinetic minus potential form.

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The claim proposes that certain physical systems require non-standard Lagrangians rather than the conventional kinetic minus potential form. Multiple retrieved papers explicitly discuss non-standard Lagrangians, contact Lagrangians, and generalized variational principles designed specifically to handle dissipative, non-conservative, and complex multi-energy systems where standard Lagrangians are insufficient. Thus, the evidence strongly supports the claim.

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Jordi Gaset Rifà, M. Lainz, Arnau Mas, Xavier Rivas. The Herglotz variational principle for dissipative field theories. 2022. https://doi.org/10.1142/S2972458924500060

The Herglotz variational principle generalizes contact Lagrangians for dissipative field theories beyond the standard kinetic minus potential form.

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Diana T. Pham, Zdzislaw E. Musielak. Non-Standard and Null Lagrangians for Nonlinear Dynamical Systems and Their Role in Population Dynamics. 2023. https://doi.org/10.3390/math11122671

Non-standard Lagrangians for damped nonlinear systems do not display standard energy-like terms while reproducing correct equations of motion.

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Xu K, Qi Y, Sun C, Ai D, Wang J, He W, Yang F, Ren H. Exergy Flow as a Unifying Physical Quantity in Applying Dissipative Lagrangian Fluid Mechanics to Integrated Energy Systems.. 2024. https://doi.org/10.3390/e26090791

Modified Lagrangian mechanics uses exergy flow as a unifying Lagrangian to capture multi-energy systems with mechanical and thermal dissipations.

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R. El-Nabulsi, W. Anukool. Helmholtz and Liénard-type oscillators from non-standard Lagrangians. 2026. https://doi.org/10.15625/0866-7136/22664

Non-standard Lagrangians provide a variational framework for systems with velocity-dependent nonlinearities and dissipation that traditional formulations miss.

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Ren H. A Variational Formulation for Irreversible Thermodynamics with Path Dependence.. 2026. https://doi.org/10.3390/e28010094

Path-dependent energy Lagrangians for irreversible thermomechanics incorporate heat, entropy, and dissipation directly into the action without standard Rayleigh potentials.

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